Spiritual and Pagan Message Board

[shadowx]

We could indeed be wrong. Until i read the article about light speed destroying matter i too thought it likely that ETs had been here.

The thing is, science tells me it is so, so, so, so unlikely that ETs have ever been here. And yet the evidence, like you said, its pretty big.

There are loads of accounts of RAF pilots seeing objects or lights and the radar stations picking them up too. Lots of instances of cigar shaped objects flying next to aircraft (not missiles, they have to fins or exhaust) and even google earth has out of focus metalic looking balls over certain areas and street view has captured a group of metalic balls flying over some houses here in the UK.

Its a problem for me.

If they did come here they would have to use wormholes and/or inter-dimensional travel. which is entirely feasible. But like i said, someone would have noticed a wormhole appearing, the other answer is that they made it appear the other side of the sun or Jupiter so it is blocked from the earth. I cant dispute that as i have no evidence to say it cant happen. But that is some bloody precise map work, given the size or just our little galaxy, let alone the entire universe, these ETs need to punch a hole in space/time at the exact right place, its probably more difficult than throwing a dart in the air and trying to hit a single grain of sand a million miles away.

Perhaps wormholes are easier to manipulate than i imagine or perhaps they just land a few lightyears away and then travel under light speed for 4 or 5 years to get to us.
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[Xal]

That's why I think a dimension shifting theory is more feasible as it would be the easiest thing for them and also be the most hidden.
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[earth wolf]

[shadowx]

Well the theory is that if you amass enough energy and/or matter (after all energy=matter matter=energy) in a small enough place in space then you can punch a hole through spacetime which gives you a wormhole.

One theory suggests blackholes do this naturally and is part of the "whitehole" theory of creation (whereby there are multiple universes like bubbles and when a big blackhole forms in one it sucks in loads of matter and then spits it out into a brand new bubble/universe, this is then seen as a big bang from inside the new universe.

The thing is, let's assume there is another universe that gave birth to ours. In that universe a massive blackhole forms and sucks in one star, it then spits it out the other side into our new, baby universe causing what we see as the big bang at the very beginning. The thing is, in the "mother" universe, that single star could have absolutely enormous, that single star could have held all the matter that now fills our universe. We only think there is a lot of stuff in our universe because our little corner is so, so, so small in comparison. It's like going into a huge, huge room and realising you walk really slowly and then stepping outside into a narrow, short corridor and feeling like you are walking much faster. It is just a comparison.

so the mother universe could be a billion, billion times bigger than ours, and the stars there are a billion billion times bigger, hence one star there is the same size as our entire universe.

This doesnt really add to the alien/wormhole thing, but if you are interested in the physics behind the universe then check out the white hole theory, i think it is a competition between that and my own semi-theory of zero point energy and matter condensation from energy.

It wouldnt need any sort of magick or witchcraft, just pure technology. Get a big enough energy source, probably dark matter/dark energy (scientific energy, not dark magick) or anti-matter, get it into one point in space and release the energy. With any luck it distorts space time so much it just punches a hole in it. The problem is controlling where the other end appears... But if any race is able to form a stable wormhole i think location is something they have already worked out!
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[earth wolf]

hmmm true true but i wonder why aliens would want to mess with a race such as our selves maybe save the fact they need our natural resources but we have almost used those up=P
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[shadowx]

Perhaps the same reason children like to look at insects under a magnifying glass. Curiosity.
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[earth wolf]

[Xal]

I think your looking into it too much technologically. How would they shift dimensions? The same way we do when we project, only to higher dimension and with the ability to transfer matter not merely consciousness through said dimension.

As for why they would help us?

Why did people want to help starving children in Africa?

Also I would suspect that more advanced E.Ts would not only be technologically advanced but spiritually advanced as well. I don't think one can access these higher dimension through purely technology alone.

Also there is the 2001 theory of E.T's perhaps creating us or having a hand in our evolution.
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[shadowx]

Im a technological person

I think if they visit us physically then they must use technology unless they truly are amazingly spiritually attuned. I think it would take an immense amount of spiritual energy to transfer even the tiniest amount of matter between dimensions that to send a spaceship would be virtually impossible.
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[earth wolf]

[Xal]

[shadowx]

Perhaps... That is of course assuming that the aliens that have been reported are inter-dimensional.

There is no argument against that idea as no-one knows what the extra dimensions are like, or indeed if they truly exist.
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[Xal]

Well I wouldn't say no one knows, rather no one can really scientifically prove it to another person, rather only experience it themselves.
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[Xal]