Energy working beyond basics.

[CleverlyDisguised]

Here is a thread I made for just such an occasionhttps://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_ ... are_type=t

Tapatalk isnt liking this link lol. I'll be sure to check it tomorrow.

may I pm you?

[RyukaAscendant]

Here is a thread I made for just such an occasionhttps://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_ ... are_type=t

Tapatalk isnt liking this link lol. I'll be sure to check it tomorrow.

may I pm you?

Feel free

[corvidus]

I'm not entirely sure what would count as internal circulation, if you mean directing flows of energy through the body...

Nope, not quite. It is called 'neidan' or 'neigong' in the Taoist tradition, and has a lot to do with the development and refinement of internal energy, not energy gathered from an external source and/or channeled through the body.

It might be an interesting 'jumping-off point', if you haven't heard of it, because a lot of the beginning neidan work is useful in martial arts, as well as in Tai chi (which is one form of neidan - breath moving energy).

Take what you will from this but some of the terms like evocation and invocation are a bit fuzzy to me because I've seen them used in more than a few ways. But without a teacher I doubt I will ever delve into more of the formulaic magic. It seems to be more work for less concise results for me. Sigils are about the extent of usefulness. Not that I wouldn't love to learn the runes better.

The definition of these terms depends on the context but overall and quite generally, evocation is "outside the body" and invocation is "inside the body"

Based on your posts in this thread -- the familiarity you have with wards and the ability to project energy via symbols -- you'd do well in either evocation or invocation of spirits and/or planetary energies. The fundamentals are there, it would just take a slight adaptation of technique for you.

My biggest weakness though is divination I don't seem to have mind for all of the memorization and interpretation of cards, runes, or anything more specific than a basic y/n pendulum.

There are two types of divination (maybe more). The first is like what you say, memorizing meanings and symbols and applying them to a spread. The other kind is practiced by mystics, and is better expressed as 'Union with the Divine'. In this path, to 'divine' something is to enter into it and become one with it, to experience it fully.

But, if none of this interests you, maybe one of my favorite quotes will:

"Great things never came from comfort zones"

:p

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Just for easy reference...

Great teacher , great books...

Saw him a number of years ago , at international alchemy conference...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Montak+ ... chia+books&*

[RyukaAscendant]

"Great things never came from comfort zones"

:p

Indeed, quite why I'm asking for pointers. The initial list is a great starting point but I've done much of it. I want to push my bounds. However, I'm at a loss for what to do specifically.

Just for easy reference...

Great teacher , great books...

Saw him a number of years ago , at international alchemy conference...

The books look quite interesting. I'll have to add them to the list, I can't purchase them just yet, but anything you'll give me in the meantime would be appreciated. Anything specific to search for would be good.

In all I'm looking for the next step. Level 2 if you will. I need something help me push the bounds.

[corvidus]

However, I'm at a loss for what to do specifically.

Do more research, do more practice, that's all you're going to hear from this forum

[RyukaAscendant]

However, I'm at a loss for what to do specifically.

Do more research, do more practice, that's all you're going to hear from this forum

Herein lies the problem. The internet is the main source I have for information on these things. But nowhere do they really talk through them. Without a teacher or guide some of us are at a dead end.

[corvidus]

This is why I recommended evocation or invocation -- in order to find a good teacher.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Part of the problem...

Actually the main problem , pertaining to this , is :

1. People are so indoctrinated into *quick* answers these days ,
in small *sound bites* like tweets...they expect , and demand
simplicity , or they will not put time into follow through...

This is most often not possible , and never has been for true
advanced magic(k)al training...believe me , I have tried , and
still am , here on this site , and others...

Study and practice , are necessary ingredients , as well personal
contact gives a teacher information about a "student" , verbally
and body language...in the past , I have offered some on the web
to call me...some have , and I was able to give them some answers
after I found out more about their practices , and levels of attainment...

Claims on the internet , can be *seen through* by voice inflection , and
modes of speech , on the phone...just saying what I have found...

2. Watching a student try things , again gives a teacher information needed
to help the student advance...talking through things on the net , is *never*
the same as one to one information exchange...

3. Do you realize just how much time , and energy , it takes to answer one
question , or post , after another , on multiple sites many of us teachers are
on , when we also have lives outside of cyberspace , let alone some like me ,
type with one finger , thus it takes "forever" to explain something in detail...

And then , we are rarely truly appreciated , and it is onto the next question or
post , by the student seeking a quick answer...so teachers give up , or suffer
cyber burnout , and sometimes disgust at the lack of appreciation , or follow through...

Just wanted / needed to help with an understanding for the "problem"...

From my perspective...

[RyukaAscendant]

Part of the problem...

Actually the main problem , pertaining to this , is :

1. People are so indoctrinated into *quick* answers these days ,
in small *sound bites* like tweets...they expect , and demand
simplicity , or they will not put time into follow through...

This is most often not possible , and never has been for true
advanced magic(k)al training...believe me , I have tried , and
still am , here on this site , and others...

Study and practice , are necessary ingredients , as well personal
contact gives a teacher information about a "student" , verbally
and body language...in the past , I have offered some on the web
to call me...some have , and I was able to give them some answers
after I found out more about their practices , and levels of attainment...

Claims on the internet , can be *seen through* by voice inflection , and
modes of speech , on the phone...just saying what I have found...

2. Watching a student try things , again gives a teacher information needed
to help the student advance...talking through things on the net , is *never*
the same as one to one information exchange...

3. Do you realize just how much time , and energy , it takes to answer one
question , or post , after another , on multiple sites many of us teachers are
on , when we also have lives outside of cyberspace , let alone some like me ,
type with one finger , thus it takes "forever" to explain something in detail...

And then , we are rarely truly appreciated , and it is onto the next question or
post , by the student seeking a quick answer...so teachers give up , or suffer
cyber burnout , and sometimes disgust at the lack of appreciation , or follow through...

Just wanted / needed to help with an understanding for the "problem"...

From my perspective...

Ok this is from a students point of view of course. But so much of what I find out there is not pertinent or otherwise misleading. I recognize that much of this takes time, I didn't learn overnight. However, for those who have moved beyond just the basics there are very few reliable resources. Quite honestly I view myself as nothing more than an Adept or Journeyman having had limited experience but a firm grasp of most of the basics. As we look for techniques to practice to hone the skills many of us find that the spells and tips that pervade cyberspace are by and large worthless. Often because the ones that give specifics are done by people who don't actually know what they are doing or are to make a quick dollar off a sucker. I also realize that many of those who do teach are very busy as they have their own lives and that teaching in person is much better, my mother is a public school teacher so I've seen how frustrating that can be privately.

But I'm looking for more of the next level techniques to work on. I don't like short explanations, never have because they aren't thorough enough for me. But as I said numerology is not my strong suit, I am a very verbal person lol.

Techniques though, these are what I'm after. I need more to give that spark of inspiration to push the bound.

This is why I recommended evocation or invocation -- in order to find a good teacher.

I've tried talking with gods, usually with no response. Gaia has only answered me when I ask the right question the right way nothing more. I continue to try occasionally but I have a hard time letting myself open up for a few reasons. If you're interested it's on the first post.
http://www.everythingunderthemoon.net/f ... hp?t=34683

[RyukaAscendant]

So I have to give Wolf credit for this idea on another thread but astral weapons, armor. If I were to create said items and give them a name and sigil would anyone be willing/ able to summon them?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well , actually that came from Wolf , not me...

We have Wolf , Shawn Blackwolf , Bychan Wulf...

maybe more here...

But I saw his mention of it...

I was talking about both physical shields and psychic shields...

But this idea of psychic armor...why don't you do it yourself ?

Why do you need someone else to "summon" them ?

[RyukaAscendant]

The idea was making something easily transferable, but also verification of its existence. I live in a vacuum so I would like some verification. As a general note nothing comes near mean any more.

And my apologies to Wolf I have become rather used to Shawn posting on my threads lol

[Tutmosis]

I have a set of astral armor and some melee weapons. It comes in handy when fighting some negative energies.

But I'd be willing to verify it for you. I'm mostly open to these things because having a partner to practice with is important. I'm willing to be that guy!

[Tutmosis]

Also, I do know a few of my names. Aetheryn is one. I also know my last name, which is my clans name, from what I gather. And I also know my heart name

All these things were told to me though.